Drama on Quixtar-related Blog

“Nekkid chicks”

I just wanted to get your attention before I wrote about this new drama on a blog critical of Quixtar and Amway.

But in a roundabout way, it’s relevant.

Quixtar–The Dream or The Scheme is a blog written by a guy calling himself, Joe Cool. Joe is critical of the Quixtar business opportunity. Some of Joe’s readers are critical, as well.

But, like all the Quixtar-related blogs, some other readers hold a different opinion about Quixtar. In this case, the other readers LIKE Quixtar, have Quixtar-affiliated businesses and think Quixtar is the best thing since butter on sliced bread.

Let’s just say, that when Joe writes an entry at his blog…he gets a few comments.

Okay, that being said; you’ve probably guessed that Joe Cool is a pseudonym. And there are a few of “Joe’s” readers that would love to know who he is.

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that Quixtar-type bloggers and their readers are a bit on the obsessive side. You can count me in this group to some extent. We write about Quixtar, read about it, we discuss it, and we get to know who writes what, how each other feels about it, AND we learn each other’s “Hot buttons” and Internet-text “tics”. So much so, that if you read a particular entry by one of us, you can pretty much guess who wrote it, without looking at the byline.

But, for one of “Joe Cool’s” readers, this wasn’t enough. He or she wanted to know more. This reader wanted to know exactly who “Joe” was and expose “Joe” to the world.

With some fancy “googling”, Mr. Obsessive-to-the-Extreme found out that not only did Joe like writing about Quixtar, but also Joe liked writing about his interest in…how shall we say it…adult-oriented recreation.

See, where the “nekkid chicks” comes in?

To “Joe’s” credit, he pretty much let the whole drama play out on his blog through the blog comments’ section, including a “confession” of sorts, of his “miss-deeds”. (I use a lot of quotation marks in this entry)

Want my opinion on this whole drama?

I like “nekkid” chicks, too.

That may be oversimplifying it.

Howabout?

Mr. Obsessive…get over it! Sell some products. Present the Quixtar business opportunity to potential associates. Don’t read the damn blog!

Maybe, you want something more profound? I’ll defer to Beth Dornan, Director of Communications for Quixtar Inc.

FROM INSIDE QUIXTAR:

Civil discourse means we agree to disagree, but not to be disagreeable. In other words, I accept your right to have an opinion that differs from my own and ask that you do the same. In a word, it means respect. Bullies aren’t allowed.

I was disturbed to read that someone who has been critical of this business has been harassed and disparaging information about him posted by a cyber bully. While I can’t enforce civil discourse in any forum but the Opportunity Zone, I can ask that those who are engaged with this business carefully consider the impact that disparaging those with opposing views has on perceptions of the Quixtar and Amway businesses. As a business, we’re about building people up, not tearing them down. Just because someone doesn’t support our business doesn’t mean they should be criticized for those views or have inappropriate information posted about them. As a former boss of mine used to say, our reputation is built on everything every one of us does and says every day. I’d prefer that our reputation be built on respect for all people of all views…

…Like in life, in debate those who resort to trying to insult or disparage their opponents lose points. But a high school [debate] meet isn’t at stake here. What’s at risk is the reputation of this business and every one affiliated with it.

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50 Responses to Drama on Quixtar-related Blog

  1. rocket says:

    I like nekkid chicks too.

    I have still yet to see the big deal.

    Whoever did that obviously has waaaayy too much time on their hands.

    Good Post Dave.

  2. Joecool says:

    IBOfightback made a huge deal out of this and even emailed all the regular Qblog members to go to his website and read his article about this.

    Interesting tidbits: I did a trace on the anonymous email re: this subject and the IP address came from Europe.

    Also, I believe at the WSG, the site I posted on, I don’t believe you can just go there are read articles. You have to register. Therefore, there is a good chance that IBOfightback AKA insider is a registered member of the World Sex Guide.

  3. Tex says:

    jc,

    I registered on the site as well, just to see your disgusting posts, and confirm you aren’t worth listening to.

    You either go “whoring” on a regular basis or you’re a liar. Pick one.

  4. Joecool says:

    I would like to note that I have not posted on that website for quite some time now.

    For the record, I believe tex and insider are now registered members there. Enjoy!

  5. Anna28 says:

    I can’t say I like “nekkid chicks” but I know that if I meet a man who doesn’t, well lets just say he’s a little light in the loafers. Personal attacks should be left out of the discussion. If we can’t debate the issue like adults, well, then those who can’t need to go off to the kiddie room and play with blocks.

    Good post!! The more attention this gets, the less places IBOFB has to hide in.

  6. Tex says:

    I would like to note that I have never posted on that website, and it hasn’t been that long since jc did, and who knows, maybe he has added to his well over 100 posts with a new ID.

    Answer the question jc, are you a whore monger, a liar, or both?

    I already stated I registered to view YOUR disgusting posts, jc.

  7. Tex says:

    anna,

    You don’t give someone approval/permission to be a whore monger by stating other men look at dirty pictures.

  8. MLMinformer.com says:

    David, JC,

    Nothing wrong with going to the strip clubs. Get over it already. It is a non factor. I’ve been seen at a few stripclubs and I am known by my first name there too.

    You see one nekked chick and people freak. Nekked chicks are a part of life.

    If you have to resport explaining why you were on a sex site? I would call that stalking.

    You people have lost it when you resort to this. People need to quit worrying about what the next guy does and focus on your business.

    Kudo’s to dave for bringing attention to nekked chicks-one of my many favorite subjects.

    Mikey

  9. MLMinformer says:

    that’s “resort” sorry

  10. Tex says:

    Have you read the dozens of posts made by jc on that site? This isn’t about “nekked chicks”, this is about BEING a whore mongerer, while married.

  11. Tex says:

    How would you all be acting if ibofb/insider or myself had posted those entries jc posted?

  12. Tex, Ideally, we should be equally outraged if that happened; unfortunately if you or Insider were at the sex sites, you would be held to a different standard.

    And that has to do with the “more moral” or “more superiour” attitude that some Quixtar IBOs project–and the general dislike of you and Insider by most blogging critics.

    You are correct, it would be a double standard.

    Dave

  13. Anna28 says:

    If an IBO like Dave was subjected to this, I would be equally disgusted. Maybe the problem is that no one cares enough for you or Insider to scrutinize your personal lives, Tex. It was a hit below the belt, simple as that. I don’t recall seeing any rule that said in order to be a critic of Q*, you needed to be of pure morals. Maybe I misseed it.

  14. Joecool says:

    Just want to throw this in. I agree with insider’s general assertion that prostitution is exploitation of women. I will say again, I did not nor will I ever go to a brothel. Writing stories and actually doing something are two different issues.

    That being said, insider’s beef should be with the folks who run porn sites then, because these venues exploit women too. Or how about strip clubs or girlie magazines? Is insider trying to shut all of these venues down?

    Yes, I posted on the WSG website but it seems as if tex and insider have spent an awful long time checking it out themselves.

    insider and tex are saying they went there to see what awful things Joecool wrote there. Fine -but you guys miss the point. Nobody appointed you as the internet police and posting personal inforamtion about me is akin to cyber stalking or as Beth Dornan writes (Thanks Beth) – cyber bullying.

    It is inappropriate. If you and insider want to be “holier than thou”, maybe you should both reveal your true identities and undergo thorough background and criminal history checks and swear on a stack of Bibles that you never looked at a girlie magazine or went into a strip club because that too, would be exploiting women.

    So tex and insider, are you claiming that you guys have never gone into a strip club or looked at a girlie magazine or internet porn?

  15. Tex says:

    Dave,

    There’s a huge difference between being “at the sex sites” and posting the disgusting and incriminating things jc posted. Have you read his posts?

  16. Tex says:

    anna,

    jc wasn’t “subjected” to anything. jc wasn’t the victim in this case, he is either committing adultery or a liar. He needs to pick one or both. He posted disgusting and incriminating posts. Did you read his posts?

  17. Tex says:

    Just want to throw this in. I agree with insider’s general assertion that prostitution is exploitation of women. I will say again, I did not nor will I ever go to a brothel. Writing stories and actually doing something are two different issues. —- Have you read your own posts? How do you explain the VERY specific comments made on that site?

    That being said, insider’s beef should be with the folks who run porn sites then, because these venues exploit women too. Or how about strip clubs or girlie magazines? Is insider trying to shut all of these venues down? —- Sorry jc, you are not a victim, and the First Amendment guarantees people like YOU can say and do these things.

    Yes, I posted on the WSG website but it seems as if tex and insider have spent an awful long time checking it out themselves. —- I didn’t have to spend much time there to see the lurid and disgusting type of person you are.

    insider and tex are saying they went there to see what awful things Joecool wrote there. Fine -but you guys miss the point. Nobody appointed you as the internet police and posting personal inforamtion about me is akin to cyber stalking or as Beth Dornan writes (Thanks Beth) – cyber bullying. —- Again, you are NOT the victime here jc, you are either a liar or adulterer, or both. Which is it, jc? We’re not “policing” anything, we are commenting on publicly available information that reveals what a disgusting individual you are. Just because YOU screwed up (pardon the pun) doesn’t make you the victim or us the “police”. Nice try, though.

    It is inappropriate. If you and insider want to be “holier than thou”, maybe you should both reveal your true identities and undergo thorough background and criminal history checks and swear on a stack of Bibles that you never looked at a girlie magazine or went into a strip club because that too, would be exploiting women. —- I’m not holier than anyone, and insider is an atheist, so what’s the point about the Bible for him? I will say I have never done what you did and wouldn’t be stupid enough to post it on a public site if I did.

    So tex and insider, are you claiming that you guys have never gone into a strip club or looked at a girlie magazine or internet porn? —- I’m claiming this is about YOU and YOUR behavior jc, it has NOTHING to do with me or insider. Sorry, immoral perverts don’t have the right to turn the tables in a feeble attempt to turn the tables on us and take the focus off yourself.

  18. Tex says:

    Regarding trying to hide behind Beth’s “protection”, interesting how you like to beat up Quixtar then try to use her in your defense.

    Remember, Beth is part of an organization that has swept the tool scam under the rug for over a quarter of a century. It’s not hard to understand how she wants to sweep your disgusting behavior under the table as well.

  19. Joecool says:

    tex, posting personal stuff about someone on the internet is a form of stalking.

    And I’m not hiding behind Beth’s protection. The fact that a corporate blog says that insider’s behavior is unacceptable should speak volumes to you.

    Who’s sweeping my behavior under thr rug. I fessed up for what I did. Guess what? I said I was wrong to post it, but geuss what? It’s not illegal.

    Cyberstalking is illegal.

    You’re an idiot. That’s why you are banned from so many websites.

  20. rocket says:

    Tex, nobody likes you.

    Nobody respects you.

    Nobody cares what you think.

    You will not ever be the one responsible for exposing the tool scam. That’s a delusion you have to compensate for your shortcomings in life.

    I just listened to QBlog and Tex again.

    You really are a little bit mentally challenged, aren’t you?

    You don’t understand the simplest concept, and 15 years of non-success demonstrates that quite nicely.

  21. Anna28 says:

    Obsess much Tex???

    Get over it. There are only 2 people that think JC is any of what you say…You and Insider. That and a $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

    Congrats!!!

  22. Tex says:

    tex, posting personal stuff about someone on the internet is a form of stalking. —- YOU are the one who posted the personal stuff, insider merely pointed it out.

    And I’m not hiding behind Beth’s protection. The fact that a corporate blog says that insider’s behavior is unacceptable should speak volumes to you. —- It does speak volumes, they are trying to use the “let’s be nice” idea just like they do when they don’t like to talk about the more than quarter of a century long tool scam. Their inability to handle facts is speaking volumes to me.

    Who’s sweeping my behavior under thr rug. I fessed up for what I did. Guess what? I said I was wrong to post it, but geuss what? It’s not illegal. —- First you denied it was you, then you said you are all talk, no action. It’s not illegal to commit adultery, “just” immoral.

    Cyberstalking is illegal. —- There’s no cyberstalking going on, just adultery.

    You’re an idiot. That’s why you are banned from so many websites. —- Most websites are stupid, that’s why I am banned from so many of them.

  23. Tex says:

    rockette, nobody likes you.

    Nobody respects you.

    Nobody cares what you think.

    You will not ever be the one responsible for exposing a shred of your intelligence, because you have NONE. That’s a delusion you have to compensate for your shortcomings in life.

    I just listened to QBlog and Tex again.

    You really are a little bit mentally challenged, aren’t you?

    You don’t understand the simplest concept, and xx years of stupidity demonstrates that quite nicely.

  24. Tex says:

    anna,

    Have you read jc’s posts?

    Although not a coffee drinker, I don’t think you can get a Starbucks coffee for only $1.50.

  25. Anonymous says:

    I’ve always been curious what the wives are doing while their husbands spend gobs and gobs of time on porn sites.

    Are they watching TV, reading, sleeping?

    And how healthy can one’s marriage be when one member is living in a totally different (and not real, I might add) world.

    Seems to be a major problem for many men. Perhaps getting a filter for your ISP, and maybe having an accountability partner, if you are truly interested in breaking yourself of this habit/sin/problem/distraction.

    Have you told your wife about WSG and how it’s seeped in to your Quixtar life?

    Does she know about your online Quixtar life?

    The truth does set you free.

    And you can’t do it on your own human power. Don’t let pride stop you from getting help.

    I’m using the Anonymous radial ’cause I don’t have (and don’t want) a Google account. If I come back any time soon, maybe I’ll get one.

  26. Dave,

    I’m extremely disappointed. I had some respect for your blog and postings, but no more. To anyone who cares to do the slightest research, JoeCool is blatantly lying about this whole episode and folk on both sides of the Quixtar divide have fallen for it hook line and sinker.

    Imran has finally taken the leap and gone and read what JoeCool wrote on this other site. If you’re not going to make the same effort to actually research what your posting about, then I suggest you talk to him.

    Perhaps after that you will understand why I am absolutely FURIOUS that people are defending him.

    Right now I’m assuming your simply posting from a position of ignorance. If you continue to defend him AFTER learning the truth, well then you deserve no respect at all.

  27. Tex says:

    anon,

    This isn’t about ISP filters, it’s about a married man whoring around on his wife.

    ibofb,

    I agree with you 100% on this issue. It would be interesting to do a search of jc on qblog and how many times he mentions morality, then blatantly whores around on his wife.

  28. Joecool says:

    IBOfighback – did you send me the enail about Ward Ave? You never answered.

    Also, what you guys don’t get is discussing this online is inappropriate. It’s none of your business. As Dave pointed out, I posted an explanation on my blog. If you don’t like it, tough luck.

    I don’t see anything certifying you as internet police with authority to investigate and make judgements on anyone.

    tex, just because I wrote something doesn’t mean I did anything. If not, then the author of star wars or the author of fictional novels would be liars right?

    If IBOFB or tex has ever visited a girlie club or looked at a girlie magazine, or online stuff, they are no better or worse than what they accuse me of. Of course, neither of them will answer this question or the one about who appointed them to be official investigators.

    The fact that you guys keep visiting that WSG website says something about yourselves.

  29. Joecool says:

    Just had a funny thought. “tex” and ibofightback sharing the same level of thinking. Bwahahaha!

    ibofightback, you just hit a new low. You really have.

  30. Anonymous says:

    I sort of really hate to say this, but I have new found respect for Insider and Tex. I’m a former IBO, now critic. This situation in no way invalidates JC’s opinions or concerns he has about Quixtar/Amway and the MO’s. He makes good points in regards to that issue.

    However, it pains me to see the light way this situation is being taken by many people. Unfortunately, I know a lot about sexual addiction, more than I ever wanted to know, in fact. My H is an addict, and I know if HE, or other SA’s that I know, had said that he only posted, never acted, that it would be a lie (sorry JC). Especially with posts as specific as JC’s. I did not register at WSG, but I was able to read several posts that had been linked on JC’s site before he deleted the comments containing them (as is his prerogative and understandable). I was going to stay out of this, as I fear the ridicule that my post will probably inspire, but I’m just so sick of our pornified culture telling us that this sort of think is good and healthy, when it is anything but.

    Gina/Anna, I find your posts especially triggering, as you keep referring to “red blooded” men that like to look at women. Well, my “red blooded” man can’t be intimate with me anymore, because he has poisoned his mind with “nekkid chicks”. So, if you think you want that in a man, you can have mine! I’ll take a man who respects women and wants to be with MY nekkid body any day.

    Here’s to getting back to the Q/A discussion! 🙂

    Another Anonymous

  31. Regarding Insider/IBOFB’s chastisement of my writing this post, I will publish my response and/or clarification soon.

  32. Joecool says:

    As I posted on my on blog, I have not posted on that site now for some time.

    I say again, in insider wants to discredit me for something – prove beyond a reasonable doubt that I did what was described on that forum. If you can’t, case closed. I posted on a website, so do many others. Apparently ibofb and tex are nejoying being members of that site. Apparently they spend much time there.

    And answer one more question. Did ibofightback aka insider send or have anything to do with me receiving one or both of those emails?

  33. Anna28 says:

    Anon says…” Seems to be a major problem for many men. Perhaps getting a filter for your ISP, and maybe having an accountability partner, if you are truly interested in breaking yourself of this habit/sin/problem/distraction.”

    Where does it say that this is a sin?

    Anon2 says…”Gina/Anna, I find your posts especially triggering, as you keep referring to “red blooded” men that like to look at women. Well, my “red blooded” man can’t be intimate with me anymore, because he has poisoned his mind with “nekkid chicks”. So, if you think you want that in a man, you can have mine! I’ll take a man who respects women and wants to be with MY nekkid body any day.”

    I feel for you and your situation but I took the time to get to know my husband inside and out. My husbands love for me and vice versa can never be faltered by looking at naked pictures, porno, or what have you; it is just too strong for that. In no way am I saying I have a perfect marriage, but I know that my man loves me no matter what. Any psychologist will tell you that your man’s problem with no longer being able to be intimate with you could be deeper rooted and not just because he “poisoned” his mind with “nekkid chicks”. There are even some that may ask what drove your man to look at “nekkid chicks” in the first place. There is plenty of information regarding the subject, maybe you should get better educated before judging others.

    I am in no way justifying what JC did, at the same time it doesn’t make him a liar, an adulterer or what have you. Not to mention the fact that it is NONE of our business what he does with his personal life, what he has/hasn’t disclosed to his wife, and what she may say about it and has absolutely nothing to do with Q*/Amway. That’s where I think people are taking this out of hand. So he posted on that site…OK…Bad JC, Bad….but to go beyond that and continue to make accusations about his marriage, his Christianity, or his being a pervert and to what extent is wrong. Prostitution and porno is a sad thing to me, and I feel that a majority of the time it DOES exploit women, but I refuse to judge others who do not feel the same. There are women who CHOOSE to be apart of that world and men are men; they are visually stimulated. So while it is easy to sit behind a computer and judge someone anonymously for what JC admitted to as a mistake and those who stand behind him, I suggest we stop and ask ourselves how perfect we are and whether or not someone would be able o dig up some “interesting” information about us and how we would like that to be posted on the internet.

    With that said, I ask honestly to those who have issue with this….what is it you want? What is it you want JC to do? What will make you happy regarding this? Can he do anything to please you or are you just hoping he drops off the face of the world? Can he ever be forgiven?

  34. Anonymous says:

    Anna said, “I feel for you and your situation but I took the time to get to know my husband inside and out. My husbands love for me and vice versa can never be faltered by looking at naked pictures, porno, or what have you; it is just too strong for that. “

    YOU ARE A MORON…AND A MEAN ONE AT THAT.

    Get your facts about addictions before you start blaming a wife for her husbands “issues”. That’s like saying, if your husband were an alcoholic, it would be YOUR fault.
    Sex addiction isn’t about sex. Just like raping a woman isn’t about sex. Just like drinking yourself into oblivion isn’t about the alcohol.

    It’s a stronghold in JoeCool’s and many, many, many men’s lives. And it detroys not just their lives, but all the lives around them, just like any other addiction.

    STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR SOMETHING THAT IS KILLING RELATIONSHIPS AND PEOPLE’S SELF WORTH.

    Yes men ARE visually stimulated. It doesn’t mean that it’s okay to use that trait for destruction.

    Anon2 talked about INTIMACY. Did you hear her? We are not talking aobut the inability to have intercourse. Intimacy is waay more than that. It’s destroys a man’s ability to BE REAL, in the REAL WORLD.

    GET THE FACTS, get real stories from real men, who can speak from experience of the utter ruin porn and everything that goes with it, brings to their lives.

    JoeCool, I wish you all the best in getting free from your stronghold.

    Anon #3

  35. Anna28 says:

    Anon says…”YOU ARE A MORON…AND A MEAN ONE AT THAT.”

    Your maturity is amazing. Your family must be so very proud of you. Let me guess, you must be a great, upstanding Christian too. Clearly you misunderstood my point, but my compliments on your constructive response.

    Anon says…”Get your facts about addictions before you start blaming a wife for her husbands “issues”. That’s like saying, if your husband were an alcoholic, it would be YOUR fault.
    Sex addiction isn’t about sex. Just like raping a woman isn’t about sex. Just like drinking yourself into oblivion isn’t about the alcohol.’

    I do have my facts, many of them. Don’t assume that people are ignorant to these issues. I wasn’t blaming the woman for her problems with her husband. On the contrary, I was trying to point out that there are many reasons some men may let this sickness (yes, I believe it’s a sickness) take hold of their lives. It is always easier to blame the person who suffers, but sometimes we have to look into what led the person to that point. It certainly doesn’t justify the situation, but it is a reality.

    Anon says…”It’s a stronghold in JoeCool’s and many, many, many men’s lives. And it detroys not just their lives, but all the lives around them, just like any other addiction.”

    We don’t know ANYTHING about JC’s life and what this may or may not do to it, and that IS the point. We have no right to make assumptions regarding what JC has done. JC needs to live with himself, he needs to answer to his family, and as he says he is a Christian, he will one day need to answer to his maker. That is between he and his maker. We, online, have no right to sit here and judge anyone.

    Anon says…”STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR SOMETHING THAT IS KILLING RELATIONSHIPS AND PEOPLE’S SELF WORTH.”

    I am fairly certain I addressed this already. It’s a shame that people refuse to accept what is being said. I am not making excuses for anyone or anything. Please re-read the post.

    Anon says…”Yes men ARE visually stimulated. It doesn’t mean that it’s okay to use that trait for destruction.”

    You are correct. But I feel that we have differing opinions regarding what qualifies. I don’t feel looking at “nekkid chicks” applies. Make no mistake, prostitution, and most porn does. I don’t have enough information or proof that JC DID go to a brothel or frequented prostitutes, therefore, I will not condemn him.

    Anon says…”Anon2 talked about INTIMACY. Did you hear her? We are not talking aobut the inability to have intercourse. Intimacy is waay more than that. It’s destroys a man’s ability to BE REAL, in the REAL WORLD.”

    I did “hear” her, and I wasn’t speaking of the inability of having intercourse on a literal level. I was trying to use technical words…my mistake.

    Anon says…”GET THE FACTS, get real stories from real men, who can speak from experience of the utter ruin porn and everything that goes with it, brings to their lives.”

    I have. Unfortunately I have a cousin who dealt with this not too long ago. I also have a sister-in-law who is a psychologist and specializes in addictions. I also have an uncle who is a state investigator and sees rape and related issues more than ANYONE would care to admit. I have the facts, most likely more than you do.

    The point is simple and I am a little perplexed as to why this is difficult for some to understand…While no one is saying that what JC did is acceptable, or that this doesn’t affect people’s lives profoundly, it is irrelevant to JC’s ability to discuss the facts. We just do not have enough information or proof to condemn JC and what he has or has not done. I have very little patience or respect for someone that sits behind a computer and passes judgment on others, especially without ALL the facts.

  36. Tex says:

    tex, just because I wrote something doesn’t mean I did anything. —- Then you’re either lying on the forum by saying things you didn’t really do, or you’re lying that you didn’t do those things and you really did them. Pick one jc. I have my own opinion, you’re a married whore mongerer.

    If not, then the author of star wars or the author of fictional novels would be liars right? —- How can you as stupid as that, comparing a pretend movie with screwing whores behind your wife’s back? You have serious reality issues, get some help.

    If IBOFB or tex has ever visited a girlie club or looked at a girlie magazine, or online stuff, they are no better or worse than what they accuse me of. —- And shop lifting a piece of candy is the same as a serial murderer. Again, you have some serious reality issues, get some help.

    Of course, neither of them will answer this question or the one about who appointed them to be official investigators. —- I just answered it, jc. I’m also not an “official investigator”, I don’t know how you came up with that idea. Once again, you have some serious reality issues, get some help.

    The fact that you guys keep visiting that WSG website says something about yourselves. —- I only visited it once and saw enough in a very short period of time. Don’t try to turn the topic from your whorin’ into something about me. For the last time (in this post at least) YOU HAVE SOME SERIOUS REALITY ISSSUES, GET SOME HELP!

  37. Tex says:

    anna said” I have very little patience or respect for someone that sits behind a computer and passes judgment on others, especially without ALL the facts.” I have the same feelings about YOU when it comes to discussing the A/Q business.

  38. Tex posted a comment to Anna

    “anna,

    You said on qblog prostitution is legal in Hawaii. The folks at 808-xxx-xxxx wouldn’t agree with that statement.”

    I would ask that phone numbers be exchanged in private. The phone number given appeared as “private” unlisted or “not in directory”

    Thanks
    Dave

  39. Tex says:

    Dave,

    Google the number and see what comes up. 808-529-3228 goes to http://www.honolulupd.org/nv/morals.htm

  40. Tex,

    you could have just given the link, rather than a phone number…Do you want the department in question bogged down with people on the mainland calling to see if prostitution is legal? If they are busy answering the phone, they can’t patrol Ward Ave.

  41. Tex says:

    I wanted to see if you guys had the sense of googling the number.

    It was simple to find out anna was wrong on qblog, I merely googled “Hawaii prostitution legal” and the link with the phone number came up. Why others don’t call BS on obvious misstatements is perplexing to me, except the critics are willing to defend their side at all costs, even at the cost of being clearly wrong. Mission accomplished.

    By the way, the people who patrol are not the same ones who answer the phone, and I doubt very much anyone actually called that number. Besides, if it helped jc “patrol” Ward Ave., all of you should be happy about that.

  42. I didn’t google the number, nor call it…but I did do a reverse lookup.

    I also googled Prostitution in Hawaii…and yes it is illegal, but in 2007, legislators were trying to pass a bill to legalize it in private and designated areas. That might have been the source of confusion for the other commenter.

  43. Tex says:

    I doubt anna had any awareness of last year’s attempted legislation, as she has never mentioned being from Hawaii.

    She was making an off-hand comment, apparently without verifying her statement prior to typing it, because of her unwavering support of jc and their shared anti-A/Q stance. Simple as that.

    I’ve seen anna, jc, and many others make numerous similar comments that have no basis in fact.

  44. Anna28 says:

    Actually I said…” From my understanding, prostitution is legal in Hawaii…so maybe the state should take the time to consider how they are exploiting women.”…So my understanding is wrong…ok…doesn’t mean I lied. And I was well aware of Hawaii’s attempt to legalize it…I read and watch the news and my mom was there while it was going on. Just because I have never visited doesn’t mean I know nothing about the state. I had a misunderstanding of the outcome. Not to mention the fact that usually when a city has a “red light” district, it means that prostitution IS legal in that district. Funny thing is, I asked a few people who have been to Hawaii and they were under the same impression that I was.

    I am not defending JC’s actions, and if anyone is ignorant it is you Tex. You can’t even see the fact that NO ONE is defending JC’s actions…just the relavance of it. You just like to fight about anything with anyone. You live to see your words on a computer screen and how people react to you. If you are going to argue at least argue a viable issue. If you choose to think JC is a liar…then go for it….if you think you are having some effect on his website…you are….more and more people seem to be visiting, maybe I am wrong, but I see new names and new points of view everyday…so I guess all this comotion is peaking peoples interest in his site.

  45. Tex says:

    anna,

    I never said you lied. I said you were wrong, and you could have easily verified your incorrect statement, but chose to throw the idea out there, as if it were true. You merely lose credibility when making incorrect statements, and this was far from the first time you have done such a thing. This puts you in a similar position as jc, in that you are not credible.

    As far as your explanation of why you thought this, see the credibility statement above.

    Also, “red light” district does NOT mean prostitution is legal in these areas, only that prostitution can easily be found in these areas. According to wikipedia: “Nevada is one of only two U.S. states that allow some legal prostitution; in most of its counties, brothels are legalized and heavily regulated. In Rhode Island, the act of sex for money is not illegal, but street solicitation and operation of a brothel are.” By the way, ignorance of the law is not an excuse, and if you regularly discuss prostitution with your friends, you may want to consider raising the level of your friends.

    I didn’t “choose” jc is a liar, he proved it by lying. Therefore, the relavance is he cannot be trusted to tell the truth, just like you can’t be trusted to be accurate.

  46. Joecool says:

    And we also proved that ibofb/insider is a liar and that tex is a moron. Time to move on.

  47. Anna28 says:

    You STILL don’t get it Tex. Not everyone checks their comments, but if they are presenting it as a FACT THEY DO. I clearly did not check the comment because I wrote, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING…that makes it an opinion. Not to mention the fact that it has nothing to do with the point of the sentance.

    You can judge JC all you want. I am not sure how creditible you think you are. You have been banned from just about every forum available on Q*. You don’t discuss the issues at hand and always divert the topic to the kingpins and the tools scam. I think you even did it in this thread. Not to mention the fact that NOTHING constructive has even been in your comments….you just copy and paste and alter words in some childish attempt to change their statement to be used against them….I’m rubber, your glue….yadda yadda yadda. So go ahead with your bad self and your crusade to do whatever it is to JC you are trying to do….Good luck with that. Maybe if you had a little more culture, class and inteligence, you would see the many many holes in your logic…but in your case, ignorance is bliss.

    As JC said…TIME TO MOVE ON…
    Have fun discussing on your own.

  48. Tex says:

    jc,

    Glad to see you agree you’re a liar.

    anna,

    You STILL don’t get it anna. Your “understanding” is in error.

    That means we have to check your “understandings”; past, present and future, including those you post as facts.

    It has everything to do with the point of the sentance [sic], you’re just upset because you got your facts wrong, again.

    I’m not judging jc at all. I am pointing out he is a liar. I am credible because I am accurate with my facts, thorough with my analysis, and not a whore monger.

    I have been “banned” from many sites that are a complete waste of time, and am happy to be “banned”.

    I always discuss the issues at hand and almost always divert the topic to the kingpins and the tools scam because of the significance of this issue. I think I even did it in this thread.

    Not to mention the fact that NOTHING constructive has even been in your comments….you just copy and paste and alter words in some childish attempt to change their statement to be used against them….I’m rubber, your glue….yadda yadda yadda.

    So go ahead with your bad self and your crusade to do whatever it is to me you are trying to do….Good luck with that.

    Maybe if you had a little more culture, class and inteligence [sic] (that’s rich, misspelling “intelligence”), you would see the many many holes in your logic…but in your case, ignorance is bliss.

    As JC said…TIME TO ACCEPT THE LIAR LABEL AND MOVE ON…
    Have fun discussing on your own.

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